TKG – How Prabhupada was and was not equal to women

From a talk by Tamal Krishna Goswami
8-24-2000, Hungary
I will give you some instances to show you that Prabhupada was not equal to women. I was sitting with Prabhupada at 7 Bury Place, our first temple in London. He told me that if Jamuna Devi who was the wife of the temple president, had been a man, it would have been she that would have been the temple president. In other words, she was more qualified than her husband. But because she was a woman, he could not make her the temple president.

Later on, I was handed three slips of paper in which the names of different persons were listed when Prabhupada was preparing to form his first GBC. They finally found these three pieces of papers in the archives. They are in Prabhupada’s own handwriting on backs of envelopes and on the first two he lists, on one of them he lists three women, on one he lists two women and in the third list that I got, he lists only eleven men. And when he formed the GBC, there were no women. Now he wouldn’t allow women to be temple president, so how could he allow women to be GBC? I am just showing you how he was not equal.

Another way he was not equal is after a while, very rarely did women accompany him on a walk. Now the women claim that this is because of the sannyasis. I don’t know which sannyasis they are talking about, but some of the sannyasis, they say, were really pushing the women away and not letting them have an equal right. There may be some truth to that but Prabhupada allowed it. Prabhupada was not so unaware of the fact that there were no women on the walk. He could have said, “Where is so and so, where is so and so?” and he did used to say, “Where is so and so, where is so and so?” but that so and so was always a sannyasi or a senior man. So I don’t think that Prabhupada was equal to all.

Now I will show you how he was equal to all. Because when the movement was just beginning, he showed far more equality to the women, when there were no sannyasis in the movement. He had a woman secretary, Govinda Dasi. It is very interesting, how he got rid of her. Very interesting, because he did not want Govinda Dasi to realize that he wanted to change the secretary. So he dictated a letter to me and had me write the letter and post it separately to get a male secretary in but his first secretary was a woman secretary. He had ladies cooking for him. And the women used to come walking with him just as much as the men. Jamuna used to lead the kirtans. Jamuna and Himavati used to speak at public lectures.

But gradually as the movement became more established, he tried to establish what you may call Vedic culture and that is where he started to make these distinctions. In his mind he made no distinction. One time in 1977, Prabhupada asked me, “Where is,” I think it was Upendra, perhaps. I said, “He is cooking in the kitchen.” So Prabhupada said, “Who else is in the kitchen?” and I said, “Srutirupa, the wife of Abhirama.” Prabhupada said, “Oh that is not very good, that they are in the same room together.” He said, “I am above all of these things now. I am an old man but you are all young sannyasis, you must be very careful.” So he did these things to protect the sannyasa asrama, and in general uphold Vedic etiquette.

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3 Replies to “TKG – How Prabhupada was and was not equal to women”

  1. In some ways Srila Prabhupada was revolutionary in awarding equality to women e.g. giving initiation to them. This was a break from tradition. Another instance is where he expected both his male and female disciples to become thoroughly educated in his teachings and serve as initiating gurus.
    Letter to Hansadutta Jan 3rd 1969
    “Another examination will be held sometimes in 1971 on the four books, Bhagavad-gita, Srimad-Bhagavatam, Teachings of Lord Caitanya, and Nectar of Devotion. One who will pass this examination will be awarded with the title of Bhaktivedanta. I want that all of my spiritual sons and daughters will inherit this title of Bhaktivedanta, so that the family transcendental diploma will continue through the generations. Those possessing the title of Bhaktivedanta will be allowed to initiate disciples. Maybe by 1975, all of my disciples will be allowed to initiate and increase the numbers of the generations. That is my program.”

    1. Prabhupada didn’t “break with tradition” because Pancaratrika agama sanctions females to get initiated and Prabhupada’s own sister was initiated by BSST as were several other females. An acarya doesn’t “break with tradition” but rather upholds them.

      And it is noteworthy that no female or anyone else was made a diksha guru in 1975. Reason is simple SP could see they were too much on bodiily platform and because of ree mixing were falling down to sex. So he push for VAD to stop tehfall downs especially of sannyasis see Feb 14, 1977 VAD conversation in Mayapura.

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